1 00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:06,630 [Music] 2 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:08,480 welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:11,280 the podcast from australia for science 4 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:16,850 and reason 5 00:00:26,150 --> 00:00:23,600 [Music] 6 00:00:26,830 --> 00:00:26,160 yes it's the skeptics on podcast episode 7 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:26,840 number 8 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:30,240 620 for the 30th of august 9 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:32,960 2020 richard saunders here with you from 10 00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:35,520 sydney australia bright sunny 11 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:39,520 nearly nearly warm weekend i think 12 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:44,000 i think spring is around the corner 13 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:47,840 if i look closely i can see some wattle 14 00:00:51,910 --> 00:00:50,399 what will they think of next and what's 15 00:00:53,910 --> 00:00:51,920 coming up on this week's 16 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:53,920 episode of the skeptic zone we're going 17 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:56,879 to start with a dive into history 18 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:00,879 a a look into the treasure trove 19 00:01:06,710 --> 00:01:04,080 that is trove trove from the national 20 00:01:09,510 --> 00:01:06,720 library of australia is an incredible 21 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:09,520 online resource of digitized 22 00:01:16,710 --> 00:01:13,040 newspapers reports periodicals and so on 23 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:16,720 fully searchable and i thought i would 24 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:19,280 search for the word clairvoyant 25 00:01:25,350 --> 00:01:22,560 just to see what came up what comes up 26 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:25,360 some very interesting and insightful 27 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:26,640 reports dating back 28 00:01:32,630 --> 00:01:29,840 over a century so come with me into a 29 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:32,640 a trip through the trove coming up at 30 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,159 the top of the show 31 00:01:37,270 --> 00:01:36,240 following that it's highlights from the 32 00:01:39,190 --> 00:01:37,280 recent 33 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:39,200 newsletter from australian skeptics 34 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:40,400 compiled 35 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:43,439 by tim mendom news and 36 00:01:49,749 --> 00:01:46,560 views from around the skeptical world 37 00:01:51,830 --> 00:01:49,759 then we join susan gerbic from guerrilla 38 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:51,840 skepticism on wikipedia 39 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:54,880 as she conducts her weekly trivia her 40 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:56,799 online trivia 41 00:02:01,270 --> 00:01:59,520 and what uh and what a blast this is and 42 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:01,280 what a welcome relief it is 43 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:02,880 for people all around the world to 44 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:04,799 escape this uh 45 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:07,360 corona and lockdown depending on where 46 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,239 they are for a couple of hours and 47 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:12,959 engage in some online trivia meet new 48 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:13,680 people 49 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:16,160 have a lot of fun and you'll find out 50 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:17,360 what that's all about 51 00:02:21,030 --> 00:02:19,520 when i chat to susan gerbic and people 52 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:21,040 from all around the world 53 00:02:25,990 --> 00:02:24,000 a bit later on and following that it's a 54 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:26,000 very strange story from the bermuda 55 00:02:30,869 --> 00:02:27,360 triangle 56 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:30,879 um the perils of going to the bermuda 57 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:32,480 triangle 58 00:02:36,309 --> 00:02:34,560 keep skeptical everybody will find out 59 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:36,319 what that's all about 60 00:02:41,350 --> 00:02:39,040 coming up later on then to round off the 61 00:02:45,270 --> 00:02:41,360 show it's our regular round up 62 00:02:48,229 --> 00:02:45,280 of coronavirus related lunacy 63 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:48,239 crazy stories conspiracy theorists out 64 00:02:52,869 --> 00:02:49,200 there 65 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:52,879 goings on um basically more or less here 66 00:02:57,750 --> 00:02:54,800 in australia 67 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:57,760 well that's all for me at the hello oh 68 00:03:02,949 --> 00:02:59,040 hello come here 69 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:02,959 oh you want to say hello to the skeptic 70 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:05,280 zone this is maude 71 00:03:10,309 --> 00:03:08,400 this is born can you say hello not even 72 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:10,319 a purr 73 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:11,840 well that's enough for me at the moment 74 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:14,640 it's time for me to run downstairs 75 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:17,599 and have a very light a very light 76 00:03:20,869 --> 00:03:18,640 breakfast 77 00:03:23,589 --> 00:03:20,879 yesterday i went to my nephew's 18th 78 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:23,599 birthday party happy birthday rory 79 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:27,120 chicken kebabs chicken sausages lovely 80 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:27,840 salad with 81 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:31,200 all roasted roasted 82 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,959 pumpkin seeds mmm delicious 83 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:36,400 well i'll tell you what i'll just think 84 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:38,560 about that and while i think about that 85 00:03:52,080 --> 00:04:02,710 [Music] 86 00:04:06,070 --> 00:04:04,390 well i'm sure it's no secret to the 87 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:06,080 listeners of the skeptic zone that i 88 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:07,360 really love the good old-fashioned 89 00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:10,319 skepticism that's why i got into it 90 00:04:17,909 --> 00:04:14,319 esp clairvoyance talking to the dead 91 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:17,919 monsters mysteries ufos it still holds a 92 00:04:21,749 --> 00:04:19,519 fascination for me 93 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:21,759 although now these days admittedly it's 94 00:04:26,710 --> 00:04:23,120 more 95 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:26,720 believe these things 96 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:29,040 instead of trying to uncover if they're 97 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:30,080 true or not 98 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:34,240 however and from time to time i'll visit 99 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:37,600 the trove website from the national 100 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:39,280 library of australia and that's 101 00:04:45,749 --> 00:04:42,720 trove n l a 102 00:04:49,110 --> 00:04:45,759 dot gov dot a u it's 103 00:04:52,390 --> 00:04:49,120 a trove indeed it's a treasure trove 104 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:52,400 of digitized newspapers and information 105 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,680 articles magazines and so on 106 00:04:58,710 --> 00:04:57,680 yeah there must be millions of pages in 107 00:05:01,749 --> 00:04:58,720 here 108 00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:01,759 and you can do a simple search so 109 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:04,400 i decided to search for the word for 110 00:05:08,710 --> 00:05:06,360 example i decided to search for 111 00:05:12,070 --> 00:05:08,720 clairvoyant 112 00:05:16,469 --> 00:05:12,080 what could i dig up over the decades 113 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:16,479 indeed going back into the 1800s 114 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:19,280 of the word clairvoyant in newspapers 115 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:20,400 and so on 116 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:22,479 so this started being a little bit of an 117 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:23,520 adventure 118 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:25,600 not quite down the rabbit hole but sort 119 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:28,560 of looking into the rabbit hole 120 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:32,680 from the outside so let's go back to 121 00:05:39,510 --> 00:05:35,360 1907 the geelong 122 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:39,520 advertiser from victoria an article 123 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:42,560 on saturday the 26th of january of that 124 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:44,320 year page two 125 00:05:50,469 --> 00:05:47,840 clairvoyant demonstration there was a 126 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:50,479 fair attendance at the new masonic hall 127 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:51,680 last evening 128 00:05:55,270 --> 00:05:54,320 when a demonstration in clear voyancy 129 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:55,280 was given by 130 00:06:01,909 --> 00:05:59,199 mrs murray the lady explained 131 00:06:02,309 --> 00:06:01,919 that her means of operating was the use 132 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:02,319 of 133 00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:05,919 magnetism and that she did not claim to 134 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:07,840 have any connection with departed 135 00:06:11,590 --> 00:06:09,199 spirits 136 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:11,600 a class will start on tuesday at the 137 00:06:16,070 --> 00:06:12,960 masonic hall 138 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:16,080 under the supervision of mrs murray for 139 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:17,039 particulars 140 00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:20,240 of which are advertised 141 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:22,639 isn't that interesting isn't that 142 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:24,639 interesting wouldn't it be wonderful to 143 00:06:29,110 --> 00:06:26,880 go back in time and sit in 144 00:06:31,270 --> 00:06:29,120 on a demonstration or a lesson in 145 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:31,280 clairvoyance from 146 00:06:35,029 --> 00:06:34,240 over a hundred years ago now later on 147 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:35,039 that same 148 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,919 year in the same newspaper the geelong 149 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:39,120 advertiser 150 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:42,720 we've skipped to thursday the 28th of 151 00:06:49,749 --> 00:06:43,440 november 152 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:49,759 interesting date for me anyway here's an 153 00:06:53,589 --> 00:06:50,240 article 154 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:53,599 clairvoyant readings mrs 155 00:06:58,629 --> 00:06:56,479 turner held her usual wednesday evening 156 00:07:02,150 --> 00:06:58,639 meetings at the hibernian hall 157 00:07:04,469 --> 00:07:02,160 last night before a good attendance the 158 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:04,479 time was devoted to clairvoyant readings 159 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:04,880 from 160 00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:08,160 articles presented by most present and 161 00:07:11,510 --> 00:07:11,199 the information given both as to health 162 00:07:14,950 --> 00:07:11,520 and 163 00:07:18,550 --> 00:07:14,960 surrounding conditions was in some cases 164 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:18,560 remarkably correct being fully confirmed 165 00:07:23,909 --> 00:07:21,280 by those desiring the information 166 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:23,919 mrs turner also read a testimonial from 167 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:24,720 a lady 168 00:07:29,749 --> 00:07:27,520 whose name and address were given whose 169 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:29,759 little boy was drowned 170 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:33,680 on the cup day at shepparton the child's 171 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:36,960 sock was sent to mrs turner and 172 00:07:40,469 --> 00:07:39,280 through it she described the movements 173 00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:40,479 of the child 174 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:43,199 the place where he fell into the river 175 00:07:49,749 --> 00:07:46,240 and the policeman who recovered his body 176 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:49,759 the mother testified to the correctness 177 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:52,160 of the information and thanked mrs 178 00:07:56,390 --> 00:07:53,039 turner for 179 00:07:59,589 --> 00:07:56,400 returning now the word here in the 180 00:08:03,350 --> 00:07:59,599 newspaper is somewhat uh obscure 181 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:03,360 it could be the fee or the felt 182 00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:05,440 i'm not sure but she returned something 183 00:08:09,430 --> 00:08:07,599 which had been sent with the sock 184 00:08:12,070 --> 00:08:09,440 maybe it was maybe it was returning the 185 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:12,080 fee particulars of this case 186 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:15,840 appeared in the papers and agreed in all 187 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:17,919 particulars with mrs turner's 188 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:20,639 clairvoyance reading 189 00:08:23,909 --> 00:08:22,800 i think we can put two and two together 190 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:23,919 there what do you think 191 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:26,800 hmm again wouldn't it be interesting to 192 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:28,240 go back and 193 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:31,919 sit in on that event now let's have 194 00:08:37,870 --> 00:08:33,760 another look 195 00:08:40,149 --> 00:08:37,880 here's one from once again 196 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:40,159 1907. that was an interesting year for 197 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:42,959 clairvoyance but this time we have 198 00:08:49,269 --> 00:08:46,240 a newspaper which is uh long 199 00:08:51,190 --> 00:08:49,279 since defunct in fact the records here 200 00:08:55,030 --> 00:08:51,200 indicate it may have been defunct 201 00:08:58,389 --> 00:08:55,040 by 1909 the australian star 202 00:09:03,110 --> 00:08:58,399 sydney new south wales tuesday the 25th 203 00:09:06,070 --> 00:09:03,120 of june clairvoyant discharged 204 00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:06,080 mary scales a married woman who was 205 00:09:09,509 --> 00:09:08,160 prosecuted with some others in the 206 00:09:12,389 --> 00:09:09,519 central police court 207 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:12,399 some time back on a charge of having 208 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:13,680 pretended 209 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:17,920 to foretell events on february 23rd last 210 00:09:21,350 --> 00:09:18,160 in 211 00:09:23,509 --> 00:09:21,360 sydney arcade and was bound over to come 212 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:23,519 up for sentence when required 213 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:26,240 appeared yesterday before mr king at the 214 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:27,680 same court 215 00:09:33,910 --> 00:09:30,959 mr munt for the crown said that it had 216 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:33,920 been held and decided by the supreme 217 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:34,560 court 218 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:38,080 on appeal in such cases that the act 219 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:40,480 under which the prosecutions in this 220 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:41,680 case were 221 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:45,360 initiated this 5g04 222 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:49,120 chap 83 i wonder what that refers to 223 00:09:52,870 --> 00:09:52,320 was not in force mr king dismissed the 224 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:52,880 case 225 00:09:56,949 --> 00:09:55,920 and mrs scales was discharged from 226 00:09:59,350 --> 00:09:56,959 custody 227 00:10:00,550 --> 00:09:59,360 but i love the the line in this article 228 00:10:04,069 --> 00:10:00,560 which says 229 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:04,079 on the charge of having pretended 230 00:10:09,509 --> 00:10:07,200 to foretell events 231 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:09,519 oh now here's an interesting one let's 232 00:10:16,389 --> 00:10:11,440 skip forward to 233 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:16,399 the 13th of march 1919 234 00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:20,240 darling down's gazette from queensland 235 00:10:26,310 --> 00:10:23,279 clairvoyant sentenced 236 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:26,320 at the dubbo quarter sessions of monday 237 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:27,680 before his honor 238 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:30,959 judge armstrong harry winters pleaded 239 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:33,120 guilty to three charges of obtaining 240 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:33,839 money 241 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:36,959 under false pretenses at wellington 242 00:10:42,389 --> 00:10:40,480 the accused it appeared has posed as a 243 00:10:45,990 --> 00:10:42,399 clairvoyant for the last three 244 00:10:48,949 --> 00:10:46,000 years he had previously been a boxer 245 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:48,959 for some time he had assumed the alias 246 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:49,760 of 247 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:53,279 zero and had been in four states 248 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:55,760 western australia south australia 249 00:11:00,710 --> 00:10:58,079 queensland and new south wales 250 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:00,720 he had set up as a deaf and dumb 251 00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:02,240 clairvoyant 252 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:05,600 and claimed that by means of visions 253 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:08,399 he was able to give inspired information 254 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:09,680 on business matters 255 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:12,800 in passing sentence of 14 months 256 00:11:16,470 --> 00:11:14,000 imprisonment on 257 00:11:18,750 --> 00:11:16,480 each of the charges his honor said that 258 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:18,760 if winters would make 259 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:21,760 restitution of 300 pounds 260 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:23,760 he would recommend the remission of his 261 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:26,399 sentence at the end of nine months 262 00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:29,440 winters his honor added had worked on 263 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:31,839 the credulity of the public 264 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:35,040 and had swindled them of various sums by 265 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:38,880 pretending that he had powers 266 00:11:46,389 --> 00:11:42,480 of divination 267 00:11:49,269 --> 00:11:46,399 well wow what a find 268 00:11:51,190 --> 00:11:49,279 that is fascinating again that's the 269 00:11:54,550 --> 00:11:51,200 darling downs gazette 270 00:11:57,430 --> 00:11:54,560 from 1919. i think his 271 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:57,440 honor had the right idea all those years 272 00:12:02,870 --> 00:11:57,920 ago 273 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:02,880 know what you're going to find when you 274 00:12:05,829 --> 00:12:04,240 do these searches back through the 275 00:12:07,269 --> 00:12:05,839 decades and decades and decades of 276 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:07,279 newspapers 277 00:12:15,509 --> 00:12:11,680 this one we suddenly come to is from 278 00:12:16,949 --> 00:12:15,519 news which must have been a publication 279 00:12:21,509 --> 00:12:16,959 in adelaide 280 00:12:24,389 --> 00:12:21,519 yes adelaide from 1923 to 1954 281 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:24,399 and this comes to us from the 12th of 282 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:27,360 april 1928 283 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:30,160 clairvoyant predictions by dr frank 284 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:31,760 crane 285 00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:34,800 a press dispatch says that the majority 286 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:36,560 of french clairvoyants 287 00:12:43,509 --> 00:12:39,680 predict for 1928 that france will be 288 00:12:45,990 --> 00:12:43,519 exempt from bloody revolutions 289 00:12:47,509 --> 00:12:46,000 but that there will be many important 290 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,519 political changes 291 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:49,200 sounds like the sort of waffle we hear 292 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:51,120 today madame jane 293 00:12:56,710 --> 00:12:54,480 udot forecasts terrible cataclysms in 294 00:12:59,190 --> 00:12:56,720 europe and north africa 295 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:59,200 also that three french newspaper 296 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:00,079 directors 297 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:08,389 the beauty about these predictions is 298 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:11,680 that if they never come true we will 299 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:14,160 forget them well how about that he's 300 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:16,000 absolutely right 301 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:18,079 they will be lost in the shuffle of 302 00:13:21,829 --> 00:13:19,519 current news 303 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:21,839 but if they happen to come true they 304 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:23,120 will be dug up 305 00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:26,160 and heralded as proofs of the truth of 306 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:28,480 clairvoyancy 307 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:31,680 wow this uh dr 308 00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:34,639 frank crane was really on the money as a 309 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:37,120 matter of fact he goes on to say 310 00:13:43,269 --> 00:13:40,240 the whole clairvoyant business 311 00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:43,279 is a species of foolery 312 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:46,560 the truth still holds as the poet some 313 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:47,360 time ago 314 00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:51,440 said quote heaven hides from all the 315 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:53,680 book of fate 316 00:13:57,750 --> 00:13:56,720 all but the pages prescribed the present 317 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:57,760 date 318 00:14:02,790 --> 00:14:00,480 end quote one of the advantages of the 319 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:02,800 actual side of human existence 320 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:06,720 is that no man knows what is coming 321 00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:09,519 you can no more tell the future than you 322 00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:12,160 can see around the corner 323 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:15,600 and this keeps life always interesting 324 00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:19,120 it is always an adventure 325 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,560 this gets better and better you know 326 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:22,480 what i'm going to keep this one 327 00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,560 aside and use it in my great prediction 328 00:14:29,670 --> 00:14:26,639 project i'm doing at the moment 329 00:14:31,509 --> 00:14:29,680 because it's uh it's insightful from 330 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:31,519 1928. 331 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:35,680 he goes on no matter how bad it may be 332 00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:38,720 tomorrow it may take a turn for the 333 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:39,839 better 334 00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,800 and when it is at its best it behooves 335 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:44,000 us to watch out 336 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:46,560 that disaster does not overtake us the 337 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:47,120 trouble 338 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,399 is that we consider our happiness as 339 00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:53,120 some goal to be gained but happiness 340 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:54,560 lies in the progress 341 00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,600 towards the goal not in the gaining of 342 00:15:01,189 --> 00:14:58,399 it 343 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,199 as robert louis stevenson said quote the 344 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:03,120 principal pleasure of life 345 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:06,480 is not to arrive but to travel 346 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:09,519 end quote it is doubtful if those who 347 00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:11,440 have made their competence and retired 348 00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:11,760 to 349 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:15,199 spend it in idleness are any happier 350 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:17,040 than those who are in the process 351 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,360 of getting on all happiness in life 352 00:15:23,830 --> 00:15:21,120 comes from doing 353 00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:23,840 it comes by the way well 354 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:25,519 [Music] 355 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:31,040 words of wisdom from uh from 1928. 356 00:15:34,870 --> 00:15:32,880 oh this is so much fun all right one 357 00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,880 more one more and this comes to us from 358 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:35,839 the mirror 359 00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:38,880 or just mirror in perth western 360 00:15:43,509 --> 00:15:39,680 australia 361 00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:43,519 dated the 27th of may 1944. 362 00:15:51,269 --> 00:15:47,040 clairvoyant find fiver 363 00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:51,279 mrs dora scholar asked mr addison pm 364 00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:53,759 in fitzroy court what she meant by 365 00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:55,120 clairvoyant 366 00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:58,240 she replied seeing things built up 367 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:01,279 around people i get vibrations in my 368 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,320 mind 369 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,800 wow it's interesting to see that they 370 00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:07,040 were using the word vibrations way back 371 00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,199 then in 1944 372 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,639 and of course it's one of the words that 373 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:12,560 we look out for it's a red flag 374 00:16:18,389 --> 00:16:16,560 word frequencies vibrations that sort of 375 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:18,399 thing 376 00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:22,079 goes on mr sculler had been an employee 377 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:24,079 of the new south wales cafe for four 378 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:26,560 years was known as 379 00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,680 madame del rio oh that's good told 380 00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:31,839 fortune's there for some time 381 00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:35,440 policewoman briebner visited the cafe 382 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:38,079 was approached by scholar who told her 383 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:38,800 something 384 00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:42,720 of her future said that a friend of hers 385 00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:43,279 would 386 00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:46,240 be married soon shortly after 387 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:47,199 policewoman 388 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:50,240 dundon who was also at the cafe during 389 00:16:53,829 --> 00:16:50,720 the 390 00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:53,839 reading was married 391 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:56,800 she had on her engagement ring when they 392 00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:57,360 were 393 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:01,360 accosted by madame del rio 394 00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:05,760 pleading for leniency lawyer wrapped 395 00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:08,959 said the cafe has dispensed with mrs 396 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,319 sculler's services 397 00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,199 after the police visit she is now in the 398 00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:14,959 evening of her life 399 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:18,160 has a sick husband mr 400 00:17:26,069 --> 00:17:21,520 addison find the fortune teller 401 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:29,909 wow and there are page after page after 402 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:30,960 page after 403 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,520 page of references to the word 404 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:35,200 clairvoyant going back through the 405 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,480 decades 406 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,960 and the centuries what a wonderful 407 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,080 little journey this 408 00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,520 is and i'm delighted i 409 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,640 found that reference to uh fortune 410 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:48,160 tellers 411 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:50,160 which i read out a little while ago i'll 412 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:51,679 certainly keep that one 413 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:53,520 anyway i'll link to this in the show 414 00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:56,400 notes and if you've got a spare hour or 415 00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,280 two 416 00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,679 it's a it's a lot of fun to dive through 417 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:00,400 the 418 00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:26,240 australian skeptics 419 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,520 national convention dr karl kruzelniski 420 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:34,320 dr karl krzelniski just loves science to 421 00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,120 pieces 422 00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:37,679 his media career spans more than 30 423 00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:38,480 years 424 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:41,360 talking about science in radio tv 425 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:42,000 podcasts 426 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,440 newspapers and books 45 to date 427 00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,400 with more on the way his accolades range 428 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:50,960 from the ignoble prize from harvard 429 00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,720 university for his 430 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:54,799 ground-breaking research into belly 431 00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:55,760 button fluff 432 00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,120 and why it is almost always blue 433 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,919 to being one of australia's 100 national 434 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,360 living treasures 435 00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:06,559 in 2019 the united nations awarded dr 436 00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,360 carl 437 00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,919 the unesco kalinga prize for the 438 00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:11,840 popularization of science 439 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:14,480 the prize is a global recognition of dr 440 00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,520 carl's gift 441 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,840 for communication he's the first 442 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,000 australian to win the prize 443 00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,039 a lifetime student dr karl has degrees 444 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:25,360 in physics and mathematics biomedical 445 00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:26,240 engineering 446 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:29,520 medicine and surgery he has worked as a 447 00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,240 physicist 448 00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,720 laborer roadie for bands car mechanic 449 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:33,679 filmmaker 450 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,960 biomedical engineer tv weatherman and 451 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,480 medical doctor at the children's 452 00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,000 hospital in sydney 453 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:43,039 since 1995 he has been the julius sumner 454 00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:43,919 miller fellow 455 00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,720 at the university of sydney where his 456 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:47,600 mission 457 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,400 is to spread the good word about science 458 00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:52,000 and its benefits 459 00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,559 dr karl kruselnisky just one of the 460 00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,799 speakers at skepticon 2020 461 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,400 the australian skeptics national 462 00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:00,559 convention for more information and 463 00:20:08,180 --> 00:20:04,880 tickets visit www.skepticon.org 464 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:26,950 [Music] 465 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,960 and now it's time once again to look at 466 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:30,320 the australian skeptics 467 00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:36,000 newsletter uh this one's newsletter 105 468 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,760 and it arrived in my inbox 469 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,760 which is a good thing on the 25th of 470 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:44,240 august 2020 471 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,480 and this is put together by tim mendham 472 00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,600 and the newsletter says hi all 473 00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:54,559 a mixture of the good the silly and the 474 00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,840 extreme 475 00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,600 as we move from the approaching 476 00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,480 skepticon to the clone of the victorian 477 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,679 premier 478 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,080 to midwife's use of homeopathy leading 479 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,880 to the death of a woman in childbirth 480 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,799 so it seems this newsletter presents us 481 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,480 with a mixture of the 482 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,520 stories skepticon early bird 483 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,840 tickets still available you won't be 484 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,760 able to view the presentations at this 485 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,120 year's skepticon 486 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:22,000 without purchasing a ticket fair enough 487 00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,280 the october the 24th to the 25th event 488 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,840 will be streamed live on a closed 489 00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,960 youtube channel 490 00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,799 you will be provided with the details on 491 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:32,799 how to access the live stream 492 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:35,440 via email after you purchase your ticket 493 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,080 seems 494 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,640 reasonable to me and the early bird 495 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,320 ticket prices are available until the 496 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:42,080 24th of september i think a couple of 497 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,880 weeks ago 498 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,960 i might have accidentally said december 499 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:46,400 which is crazy because that's after the 500 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,280 convention 501 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:49,120 so early bird tickets are available 502 00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,400 until the 24th of 503 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,679 september and the concession 504 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,320 price is just 30 and the general 505 00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:57,600 admission is just 506 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:01,280 50. and after that date the prices go up 507 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,760 to concession 45 and general 65 508 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:08,080 remember those prices are in australian 509 00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,880 dollars 510 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,320 so if you're in the united states for 511 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,880 example then you can knock off almost 30 512 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,240 percent of that price 513 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,760 regardless it's much cheaper for you and 514 00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,000 ticket holders will still be able to 515 00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,200 watch the 516 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,559 skepticon stream after the event 517 00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,280 so if you're not able to view the talks 518 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:28,960 as they go out live 519 00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,840 then take your time and watch them later 520 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,159 and it provides a list of the 521 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:36,400 uh speakers announced so far or some of 522 00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,280 them but really just go to skepticon.org 523 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600 and purchase your tickets i know a lot 524 00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,440 of people are working very hard 525 00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,120 to bring your skeptic on this year 526 00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,880 online and 527 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,039 we're all looking forward to it now 528 00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,799 here's something controversial 529 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,559 there's an item here government support 530 00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,880 for lyme disease advocacy 531 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,520 despite an official government position 532 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,400 being that lyme 533 00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:03,360 disease cannot be caught in australia it 534 00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,080 turns out 535 00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:06,159 the commonwealth department of health 536 00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:07,440 has given a grant 537 00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:11,520 to lyme disease australia quote 538 00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,799 to provide services including advocacy 539 00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,559 and counseling for people presenting 540 00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:18,080 with debilitating 541 00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,919 symptom complexes attributed to ticks 542 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,360 and quote 543 00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,600 which is chronic lyme disease by another 544 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:27,600 name 545 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,320 and uh as i understand it i think 546 00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,919 there's quite a bit of controversy in 547 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,799 general with this 548 00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,799 lyme disease maybe we should do a story 549 00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:36,159 about it on the skeptic zone and i 550 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,280 really don't know 551 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:40,320 that much about it and a serious story 552 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,640 now 553 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,600 very serious midwives charged with 554 00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,080 manslaughter after a mother's fatal 555 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,200 home birth the closing stages of a 556 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:51,120 long-running case involving the death of 557 00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,000 a melbourne 558 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,880 home-birthing mother who experienced 559 00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,080 lightheadedness 560 00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,559 shortness of breath and was becoming 561 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:00,880 agitated she was treated with a 562 00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,400 homeopathic remedy by two midwives 563 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:05,760 they have now been charged with 564 00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:09,279 manslaughter a very serious story indeed 565 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:12,000 and another story here says facebook 566 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:12,880 twitter 567 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,159 block sequel to plan demick 568 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:19,760 facebook and twitter have hindered 569 00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,600 the spread of pandemic 2 the sequel to 570 00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,919 the viral coronavirus conspiracy theory 571 00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,880 video plan 572 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:29,919 demik which ranked up more than 10 573 00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,960 million views on facebook alone wow i 574 00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:34,960 wish the skeptic zone could do that 575 00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,600 like the original the new video from 576 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,760 filmmaker mika willis 577 00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,840 or michael willis i'm not sure which one 578 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,600 is filled with false claims about the 579 00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,360 coronavirus vaccine 580 00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,799 and world health groups twitter has 581 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:49,679 marked 582 00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,120 links to the sequel as quote unsafe 583 00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,400 in quote sydney psychic advised 584 00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:58,000 stockholders on 585 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,679 quote chakras and share prices end quote 586 00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,960 devine rottinger professional intuitive 587 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,799 and energy healer 588 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,390 was apparently giving advice to glenn 589 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,080 roswell son of tennis 590 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:16,240 great ken roswell and chairman of the 591 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:17,200 stock broking 592 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,159 firm bby almost bbq but it's bby 593 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:26,080 the advice drew on chakras 594 00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,080 incarnations and astrological charts 595 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,799 the company failed and the last one i'll 596 00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,360 read out 597 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,559 here amongst all these news items pete 598 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,919 evans remember celebrity chef pete evans 599 00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,720 pete evans labeled hypocrite for covert 600 00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,159 19 safety measures 601 00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,480 the tv chef's new byron bay healing 602 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,320 clinic appears to be adhering to social 603 00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,480 distancing which has left many 604 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,480 labeling the fervent anti-vaxxer 605 00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:55,679 hypocrite and that story we covered 606 00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,400 last week on the skeptic zone look there 607 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,320 are a lot more stories here in this 608 00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:02,320 newsletter with more information 609 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,919 and a list of events and so on skeptics 610 00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,480 and action 611 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,039 items of interest something here about 612 00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:10,880 ufos about the planet 613 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:14,799 mars oh and right near the end 614 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:18,240 silliest item of the week daniel 615 00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:22,080 andrews cloned yes the premier of 616 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,520 victoria 617 00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,679 as the news item describes it quote 618 00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,000 people are blind to the 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robertson from the 635 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,120 northern rivers vaccination supporters 636 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,520 we are a group of concerned citizens 637 00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,760 dedicated to promoting good science and 638 00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,679 common sense in our region 639 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,640 the far north coast of new south wales 640 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,520 this area 641 00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,360 famous for its natural beauty and 642 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,039 relaxed lifestyle 643 00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,679 also has the lowest rates of vaccination 644 00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,520 in australia 645 00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,840 we are out to change that by challenging 646 00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,000 the myths and misinformation 647 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,240 and by providing good evidence-based 648 00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,880 information to the community 649 00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,799 we'd love for you no matter where you 650 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:51,919 are in the world 651 00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,880 to join our fight please visit our 652 00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:56,159 webpage 653 00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,679 at www.nrvs.info 654 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,279 we also have a link there to our 655 00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:04,880 facebook page 656 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:08,399 tweet us at nrvaxsupporters 657 00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,679 that's vax and check us out on wikipedia 658 00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,039 by searching for 659 00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:16,159 northern rivers vaccination supporters 660 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:31,190 thank you 661 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:35,600 [Music] 662 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:38,010 i think we need to think 663 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:43,440 [Music] 664 00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:44,850 here's susan gerbic 665 00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:50,559 [Music] 666 00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:54,559 hi ivan i'm glad you joined paulina's 667 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,840 icon is here i don't know if she's 668 00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,840 actually here or not but i see right now 669 00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,000 yes folks that voice you hear is 670 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,840 unmistakable at susan gerbic from 671 00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,760 guerilla skepticism on wikipedia i'm 672 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,840 looking at a screen full of people from 673 00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,440 all around the world well let's be 674 00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:09,520 honest mostly in the united states and 675 00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,080 some 676 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,520 from other places hello susan hi richard 677 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,000 hello everybody out there at the skeptic 678 00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,080 zone i absolutely love you all 679 00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,919 and uh hello to all the faces i'm 680 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:21,440 looking at on my screen 681 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:25,440 hi hello hello hi richard 682 00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,200 we are about to do susan gobix uh 683 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:31,440 trivia night although for me it's a 684 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,399 trivia 685 00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,520 midday which is a bit weird uh susan 686 00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,039 you've been doing this for 687 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,159 the last three four months now 688 00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:42,320 yes it's been a blast it's keeping me 689 00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,230 and i i think the point is the why i 690 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:49,919 want everybody to know about it it's 691 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:50,399 just 692 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,720 coronavirus i think 693 00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,159 and there were bound to be some good 694 00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:57,760 things and this is a good thing this is 695 00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,480 something which 696 00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,720 was completely unexpected and what gave 697 00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:03,440 you the idea to put this together 698 00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:06,399 well one of our friends here robin and 699 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,000 we used to play trivia every 700 00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,760 thursday night and you know every 701 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,440 tuesday night at a local pub that of 702 00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,720 course got canceled 703 00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,559 so they started to arrange one but then 704 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,799 the younger people were calling us 705 00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320 boomers and they didn't want to play 706 00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,480 with us because we were boomers so 707 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,840 i said well the heck with that i'll 708 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,760 start my own and we did it we've got all 709 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,640 sorts of age 710 00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,880 age groups here and people from all over 711 00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,840 the place except 712 00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:30,960 the uk sorry uk people because it's a 713 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,279 little 714 00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:32,640 night for you oh it's the middle of the 715 00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,919 night over there right of course yeah 716 00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,960 you know we've got 717 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:39,039 some australians i keep inviting the new 718 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,159 zealanders but they 719 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:41,840 they seemed it's the wrong time for them 720 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,480 too but it's a lot of fun and it's not 721 00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,320 particularly about skepticism although 722 00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,799 skepticism does crop up a lot doesn't it 723 00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,880 yeah and we have quite a few uh people 724 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,720 in the podcast universe that are here 725 00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,960 from the skeptic community that play um 726 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,559 we've got kyle polish from the data 727 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,440 skeptic 728 00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:00,720 brian dunning you yourself you've got 729 00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,159 um ben radford's played who 730 00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,000 else has played i'm trying to remember 731 00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:07,840 we've got all kinds of rock ross ross 732 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,310 we've got jim newman who who does a 733 00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:15,919 trivia 734 00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:18,880 uh show called go factor yourself 735 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,360 there's 736 00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:20,960 all kinds of different podcasters that 737 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,840 have joined in and we have a blast it's 738 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:26,399 a rents for about three hours it does 739 00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,360 yeah yeah 740 00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,840 so uh if people listening to the show 741 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:31,519 want to join in maybe in the weeks to 742 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:33,200 come and it's a lot of fun folks and you 743 00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,240 get to meet lots of 744 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,559 interesting new people how do how do 745 00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,240 people go about that 746 00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,080 well you want to come over to facebook 747 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,360 and you will see that it's 748 00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,440 uh probably on my facebook page it's 749 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,120 called trivia by susan 750 00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:48,880 real original i know and uh we plan to 751 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,399 teams i and i assign you to teams so you 752 00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,640 so you will meet new people from all the 753 00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,080 world so you don't have to know 754 00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,320 somebody people we'll we'll put you with 755 00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,440 a good team of 756 00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,919 maybe five people and people keep coming 757 00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,360 back and the group keeps growing and 758 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,799 growing so i guess we're having a good 759 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,240 time at least i am 760 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,919 it is it's a wonderful thing it's all 761 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,600 done via zoom 762 00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,760 and uh you you've you've really got 763 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,120 zoomed down pat because 764 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,360 we go off into breakout rooms we chat 765 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,960 amongst ourselves and we come back and 766 00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,320 we look at the answers 767 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:20,080 it's a lot of fun folks this again this 768 00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,600 is one of the silver linings from this 769 00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,799 whole covet 770 00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:25,519 19 fiasco so thank you everybody for 771 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,640 indulging me and 772 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,240 i think it's time we get on with the 773 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:30,240 trivia bye 774 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:44,720 lovely thank you cool okay for everybody 775 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,470 [Music] 776 00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,240 this is kyle from the data skeptic 777 00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,200 podcast if you're curious about the way 778 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:01,360 data is changing our world topics like 779 00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,240 ai and 780 00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,080 all this craziness with facebook and 781 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,159 bots and the twitter storm and 782 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,000 how the algorithms that underline that 783 00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:10,080 work and you don't want a technical deep 784 00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,120 dive you want it 785 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,399 you know in the vernacular in a way that 786 00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,000 people can understand check us out at 787 00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,840 data skeptic that's what we try and do 788 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,919 i interview advanced professionals in 789 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:19,600 the field who do this sort of research 790 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:20,080 and then 791 00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,960 i get into interesting projects as well 792 00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:26,720 we're a weekly show and you can find us 793 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:38,480 at datasceptic.com 794 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:44,399 ah i'm so glad i gave up being a skeptic 795 00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,600 life is so much easier now who cares if 796 00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:49,279 there are monsters who cares if there 797 00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,559 are ghosts 798 00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:52,399 at last i can just be like everybody 799 00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:00,630 ah this must be the place strange 800 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,159 bermuda triangle tours with experienced 801 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:07,840 guides proprietary limited aha 802 00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,230 good morning uh i'm i'm interested in 803 00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,760 taking one of your tours into the 804 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,040 bermuda triangle 805 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,560 oh hi richard i'm sorry have we met 806 00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,240 before 807 00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,599 they all say that okie dokie 808 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,359 now we have a range of tours for all 809 00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879 budgets ah 810 00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,879 there's a good one leaving tomorrow i 811 00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:33,040 can recommend comes back about an hour 812 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,520 ago 813 00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,720 what sorry it comes back 814 00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,679 when an hour ago in fact you really 815 00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:40,800 enjoyed it 816 00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,399 um i'm a little confused 817 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,000 i i enjoyed it oh sure 818 00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:51,040 in fact see this in our comments book 819 00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,159 you said i really enjoyed this tour and 820 00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:55,919 we'll take it again 821 00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:59,760 uh that's my handwriting how on earth do 822 00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,079 you 823 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:02,960 okay i know it's tricky here is our 824 00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:06,480 answers to confusing questions brochure 825 00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:09,920 this should clear things up okay let's 826 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:11,440 see 827 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,359 dear future past and or past 828 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:18,720 future and or present past 829 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,000 future and or past present future and or 830 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,760 future present past client of strange 831 00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,400 bermuda tours with experienced guides 832 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,480 proprietary limited 833 00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,800 if you have read this brochure before 834 00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,680 please skip to section 8. 835 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,920 if you have not read this brochure 836 00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:38,880 before 837 00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:43,599 please skip to section 1.965 838 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:47,920 on page 86. 839 00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:54,710 welcome to your first bermuda triangle 840 00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:55,599 tour 841 00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,599 take you'll find you made positive 842 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,680 comments in our comments book 843 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:06,560 if you did not enjoy this tour we will 844 00:36:10,829 --> 00:36:07,680 try to make 845 00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:10,839 this time around a more enjoyable 846 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,839 experience um 847 00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,320 look i'm really not sure what's going on 848 00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:18,160 how can i take a tour 849 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,310 hi susan hi me susan 850 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,240 i'd like to book the same tour again 851 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,599 please uh 852 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,640 what the hell relax i told you you 853 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,079 enjoyed the tour 854 00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:38,480 and see you're back to do it again trust 855 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:39,359 me 856 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:45,119 don't forget your typewriter i made that 857 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:45,680 mistake 858 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,800 four times in a row now uh oh how many 859 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,520 uh 860 00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,320 typewriter who the hell uses a 861 00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:54,480 typewriter these days 862 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,230 hi susan hi me hi uh 863 00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,520 other me susan i'd like to book the same 864 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,040 tour again please 865 00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,760 i have my typewriter this time great and 866 00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,079 you 867 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,359 all qualify for our free upgrade 868 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,640 we do sure everyone who does 20 tours 869 00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:21,280 gets the next one free 870 00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,030 hi everyone we're back from the tour 871 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,310 we need a bigger boat no more room and 872 00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,800 another 54 richards signed up next week 873 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,760 for yesterday 874 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,560 this is ridiculous look what if i don't 875 00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,320 sign up for this tour huh 876 00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,839 what if i just walk out but but you had 877 00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:48,000 a really great time 878 00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,720 do it come on do it it's a good tour 879 00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,119 food is great oh come on richard what 880 00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:57,040 did you expect after giving up being a 881 00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:58,000 skeptic 882 00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,520 you don't have to worry about the laws 883 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,480 of nature anymore cause and effect 884 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,440 phoey it's a bermuda triangle after all 885 00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,359 and on the next tour we can almost 886 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:10,160 guarantee you'll be abducted by aliens 887 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:19,230 when does this tour leave last week 888 00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:22,370 [Music] 889 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,630 proud to be a skeptic and you can find 890 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:35,040 out more about me at drcarl.com and get 891 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:46,320 lots of free stuff there as well 892 00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,920 [Music] 893 00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,079 now it's time for a roundup of this 894 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,359 week's news and information and 895 00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,160 sad goings-on in the world of covet 19 896 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:05,839 conspiracy theories 897 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,359 and related matters 898 00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,280 now we start off with news about magna 899 00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,040 cervanski now if you haven't heard of 900 00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,200 magnus stevansky she 901 00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,839 was probably best known internationally 902 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:22,079 as the woman who played mrs hoggart in 903 00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,560 the 904 00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,520 babe movies she's been on tv here in 905 00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,359 australia for many years 906 00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:30,720 a wonderful comic hilarious uh 907 00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:33,119 she started with comedy tv shows in the 908 00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,160 80s 909 00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,400 more recently she's been in a show 910 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:37,920 called catherine kim 911 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,520 about a decade back playing a character 912 00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,000 called sharon 913 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,880 now she's revived the character reprised 914 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:47,920 the role 915 00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:52,000 for a government sponsored 916 00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,720 campaign basically telling people to 917 00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,880 obey the rules of lockdown wear a mask 918 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,400 that sort of thing 919 00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:03,040 encouraging people to do this and saying 920 00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,319 that 921 00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,720 we can all get through this i'll just 922 00:40:11,220 --> 00:40:07,520 play 923 00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:16,150 [Music] 924 00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,190 i am subbing you off i tell you what i 925 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,640 am so over this lockdown playing netball 926 00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:24,240 against yourself is not all it's cracked 927 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,720 up to be 928 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,880 especially when you still can't even win 929 00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,000 but you know what 930 00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:30,000 it's not the lockdown that's the enemy 931 00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,359 it's the virus 932 00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,599 and the sooner we obey the rules the 933 00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:35,119 sooner this will all be over and we can 934 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,839 get back to the stuff that really 935 00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,079 matters 936 00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,599 neddy slamming myself back in now i know 937 00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,079 sharon you're hopeless i am not hopeless 938 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,319 i'm the most valued member of this team 939 00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,520 authorised by the victorian government 940 00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,920 melbourne now that had magna 941 00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,160 cervanski on a netball court playing her 942 00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,520 character sharon 943 00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,200 and basically telling people that the 944 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,640 sooner we 945 00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,640 especially those people in victoria 946 00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,800 abide by the rules set 947 00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,119 mask wearing etc the sooner we can all 948 00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,400 get through this 949 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,800 and this brings me to a story published 950 00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:08,800 at news.com.u 951 00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,079 by nick bond which says in part 952 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,280 magna savansky targeted 953 00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,760 by conspiracy theorists after 954 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,319 coronavirus safety ad 955 00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:23,920 it says she's even received a bizarre 956 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,359 postcard in her home letterbox 957 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,760 actor magnus zavansky has been targeted 958 00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,240 by coronavirus conspiracy theorists 959 00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,240 after her recent appearance in a covet 960 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,319 19 messaging campaign 961 00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,040 for the victorian government the aussie 962 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:40,640 star reprises her 963 00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:44,480 iconic role as sharon stressleki 964 00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,960 from catherine kim for the lighthearted 965 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:49,280 ad aimed at reminding victorians about 966 00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:49,920 the state's 967 00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,359 strict coronavirus lockdown but once the 968 00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:55,520 ad was posted on social media over the 969 00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,400 weekend 970 00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,599 savansky has been hit 971 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:02,720 with a social media backlash from 972 00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,720 trolls and flat-out covert deniers 973 00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,720 and she herself has tweeted amongst 974 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:09,920 other tweets 975 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,520 just so you know at daniel andrews mp 976 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,440 and he's the premier of victoria the 977 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:17,839 overwhelming response to the ad has been 978 00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,280 massively positive the trolls are mainly 979 00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,040 q and on and flat out covered deniers 980 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,839 and she also tweets okay here's the 981 00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,480 thing 982 00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,480 troll me as much as you like i am never 983 00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,200 going to close my twitter account bring 984 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,960 it covet deniers 985 00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,640 let's bring you right out into the 986 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,520 sunshine let's see your real names 987 00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,640 and your real facts let's see the whites 988 00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:46,000 of your eyes 989 00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,240 savansky has also revealed on sunday 990 00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:49,920 that the coronavirus conspiracy 991 00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,800 theorists 992 00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:53,680 have visited her home address putting a 993 00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:54,400 bizarre 994 00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,599 postcard warning of quote mask 995 00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,800 scams and quote through her letterbox 996 00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:04,079 and savansky herself tweets so someone 997 00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,040 popped this 998 00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,760 in my letterbox also that of my neighbor 999 00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,160 who lost his father to covert 1000 00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,960 his father was only in his early 70s and 1001 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,800 had a lot more life to live 1002 00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,920 for evolved free thinkers the coveted 1003 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,520 deniers used the same 1004 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:22,800 heard speak deep state plandemic hoax 1005 00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,680 and conspiracy now if we take a close 1006 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,000 look 1007 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,200 at the very card left in her letterbox 1008 00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,480 it's bizarre it says 1009 00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,000 in big type at the top of the card 1010 00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,000 doctors and nurses speak of scary virus 1011 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:43,119 and mask scams their evidence and debate 1012 00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,440 is 1013 00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:46,319 banned in media for the masses due to 1014 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,119 the fascist 1015 00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,640 delete fear of mask ridicule 1016 00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,880 and it goes on to say more oxygen less 1017 00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,079 co2 1018 00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,440 lung lover mask for a poor 1019 00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:00,480 loving very sneaky virus and at the 1020 00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,200 bottom 1021 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,319 under a picture of people smirking and 1022 00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,920 pointing 1023 00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:08,480 will government conspiracy lies be 1024 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:09,200 exposed 1025 00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:12,720 yet again but fatally late in an 1026 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,720 orwellian 1984 it's just bizarre and the 1027 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,319 type facing for the word 1028 00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,680 scary virus and fear are like some 1029 00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:24,720 comic book child's scary 1030 00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:27,119 lettering now we'll get back to more 1031 00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:28,160 about magna 1032 00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,040 savansky soon but we continue our little 1033 00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,200 sad adventure here into some of the 1034 00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:37,040 craziness with coronavirus and there's 1035 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,880 another story here from news.com that 1036 00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:39,760 are you 1037 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:42,800 written by caroline schnell 1038 00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,560 magistrate smacks down victorian 1039 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:46,800 anti-masker 1040 00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,640 mandy carrera a magistrate has blasted 1041 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,119 an anti-massacre who claims laws don't 1042 00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,480 apply to her 1043 00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:58,160 saying the virus doesn't care if she's a 1044 00:45:06,069 --> 00:44:58,880 quote 1045 00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,079 frankston woman mandy carrera allegedly 1046 00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,880 coughed and yelled at cafe staff after 1047 00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,880 they refused to serve her for not 1048 00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,000 wearing a mask 1049 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,920 on august 11. the 58 year old is also 1050 00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,480 accused of resisting police officers 1051 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:21,359 called to the cafe and has been charged 1052 00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:21,760 with 1053 00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280 chief health 1054 00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680 officers directions we're in the grips 1055 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,839 of a pandemic which is killing people 1056 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,640 every day 1057 00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:33,200 it's real frankston magistrate tim 1058 00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,000 garcia 1059 00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,480 told the woman it doesn't distinguish 1060 00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,240 between those who claim to be sovereign 1061 00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,280 citizens 1062 00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,839 and those who don't during the hearing 1063 00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:44,079 the court was told the owner of the cafe 1064 00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:48,400 offered ms kira a mask but she refused 1065 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,599 the anti-massacre started to scream at 1066 00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,040 the top of her voice 1067 00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:55,280 that she was a sovereign citizen and 1068 00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,319 started to cough 1069 00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,400 on the victim who was afraid for her 1070 00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,000 safety a police summary 1071 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,800 reads but when the police arrived miss 1072 00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:05,040 carrera refused to give them her name 1073 00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,920 and address 1074 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,720 and when asked why she wasn't wearing a 1075 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,359 mask 1076 00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:12,800 started to scream rape rape 1077 00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,040 at offices police allege she was 1078 00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,079 hysterical and irrational it goes on to 1079 00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,560 say she was granted bail under strict 1080 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,599 conditions including wearing a mask or 1081 00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,960 shield when leaving her home sticking to 1082 00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,000 her curfew 1083 00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:33,200 paying a 5 000 security deposit and 1084 00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,000 undergoing 1085 00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,119 an independent assessment and this sort 1086 00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,960 of harks back to 1087 00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,880 something we said a couple of weeks ago 1088 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,480 on the skeptic zone when 1089 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,440 we were talking about all these new uh 1090 00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:46,880 sovereign citizens 1091 00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,240 suddenly popping up well this uh 1092 00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,359 this coronavirus in some 1093 00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,680 twisted way is the gift that just keeps 1094 00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:57,680 on giving when it comes to these 1095 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:01,640 sort of stories another one reported on 1096 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,800 sevennews.com and this is concerning one 1097 00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:06,480 lizzie rose 1098 00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:10,240 a uh woman who claims she has psychic 1099 00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,200 powers it says in part i'm not sick 1100 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,839 covert conspiracy theorist defends 1101 00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,720 outing 1102 00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:21,760 despite showing symptoms 1103 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,440 a melbourne woman dubbed bunnings 1104 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,480 karen now for those people 1105 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,160 listening around the world especially in 1106 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,240 the united states bunnings here is sort 1107 00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:34,000 of like home depot it's a it's a huge 1108 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:35,359 store with hardware 1109 00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,280 supplies and lizzie rose has been 1110 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,319 called the bunnings karen because of her 1111 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,520 video she made in a bunnings 1112 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:48,000 basically wandering around without a 1113 00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:48,720 mask and 1114 00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,960 dubbed bunnings karen 1115 00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,119 after confronting staff over the 1116 00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,760 mandatory use of face coverings in 1117 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,880 july has caused outrage once again 1118 00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,800 after appearing to leave home while 1119 00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,839 suffering from covert-like 1120 00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,839 symptoms lizzie rose who describes 1121 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:10,800 herself on instagram as a psychic 1122 00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:14,400 activist and pagan celebrant has posted 1123 00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:14,880 a 1124 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:40,559 covered if you injected it into me the 1125 00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,960 same 1126 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,280 month rose had a run-in with bunning 1127 00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,880 staff she was caught out 1128 00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,680 traveling from melbourne to rosemary in 1129 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:48,960 regional victoria 1130 00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,480 to quote get her nails done end quote 1131 00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,079 despite the capital city being in 1132 00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,440 lockdown when told by 7 news the travel 1133 00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,680 was a breach of the chief health medical 1134 00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,280 officer's orders 1135 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,839 she disagreed no because i've got a 1136 00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,760 letter that states i can travel because 1137 00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,280 i'm studying 1138 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,079 and there's more about that on that 1139 00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,920 particular page i'll link to this in the 1140 00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,680 show notes so you can read more about 1141 00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,200 her 1142 00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:18,319 adventures let's continue on this 1143 00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:21,520 ridiculous journey and 1144 00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,119 perth now dot com dot eu report 1145 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:28,079 oh here we go celebrity chef pete evans 1146 00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,720 spruce 1147 00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:31,680 donald trump in latest video now while 1148 00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,160 this 1149 00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,880 is an attention-grabbing headline 1150 00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,440 because it mentions donald trump 1151 00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,720 the real issue in what 1152 00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:43,760 this video is all about 1153 00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:47,119 is that it shows without any room 1154 00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,839 for misinterpretation that pete evans is 1155 00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:53,839 an anti-vaxxer we sort of knew this 1156 00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,800 anyway but this video makes it clear 1157 00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,800 here's an excerpt good morning everyone 1158 00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,800 i thought i'd do a quick little update 1159 00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,079 um i just did the most amazing recording 1160 00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,960 with dr andrew wakefield who created the 1161 00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,359 documentary vaxxed and his recent one as 1162 00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,720 well so i'll share a little snippet of 1163 00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:11,599 that today 1164 00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,040 amazing absolutely amazing and where 1165 00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,480 else are we 1166 00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,319 i'll share a delicious recipe for you 1167 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,920 later on please check out our recent 1168 00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,520 post with robert kennedy jr 1169 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,599 and the podcast yesterday with judy 1170 00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,440 willem and i think 1171 00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,440 right now is the time that we need to be 1172 00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,599 educating ourselves 1173 00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:32,000 so just to recap he praises andrew 1174 00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:33,119 wakefield 1175 00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:36,880 robert kennedy jr and judy wileyman 1176 00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,480 and as we've said before 1177 00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,800 pete evans himself has posted some very 1178 00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,240 strange things about 1179 00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,880 the coronavirus in the vein of it being 1180 00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,160 a scam or a pandemic or 1181 00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:56,470 so to round off we have one final story 1182 00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,000 which involves pete evans and magna 1183 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,200 savansky who we mentioned before once 1184 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,440 again from news.com.u 1185 00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,160 written by jack painter catherine kim 1186 00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,480 comedian magna cervanski 1187 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,520 accuses chef pete evans of fat 1188 00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,400 shaming magnus savansky the star of the 1189 00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:18,559 new virus ad campaign 1190 00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:21,760 has accused controversial celebrity chef 1191 00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,000 pete 1192 00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,040 evans of fat shaming in a twitter 1193 00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,319 takedown 1194 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,359 the social media spat lit up on 1195 00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,160 tuesday morning after evans took to his 1196 00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,680 facebook page to 1197 00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,319 slam the state government's decision to 1198 00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,440 use 1199 00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079 quote well-known celebrities end quote 1200 00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,920 in an advertising campaign 1201 00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:43,599 urging victorians to follow the 1202 00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,520 coronavirus health orders 1203 00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,599 it goes on to say evans took offense to 1204 00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,680 the ads and claimed the government was 1205 00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,400 quote brainwashing and quote children 1206 00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,359 and families 1207 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:56,319 on his facebook page which he has used 1208 00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,640 to 1209 00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,640 peddle conspiracy theories during the 1210 00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,680 pandemic 1211 00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,240 the most offensive and disgraceful ads i 1212 00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,079 have ever seen in television are 1213 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,559 circulating in victoria currently 1214 00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:09,200 using a few well-known celebrities he 1215 00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,160 wrote 1216 00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,160 it is so sad to see this type of 1217 00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,240 brainwashing occurring to children and 1218 00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,319 families in that state 1219 00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:19,200 and have had enough of the lies enough 1220 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,480 is enough 1221 00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,440 imagine if they actually wanted to help 1222 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,280 people get healthy 1223 00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,040 how would an ad like that look and sound 1224 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,599 evans was then accused of fat shaming 1225 00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:32,960 savansky 1226 00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,760 after derogatory comments by other users 1227 00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,359 were posted to his 1228 00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,319 page that prompted a strong response 1229 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,760 from many twitter users 1230 00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,880 including savanski herself who called 1231 00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:45,920 out evans 1232 00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,000 on her profile fat shaming me 1233 00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,920 an assertion that fat people have no 1234 00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,400 place in discussion about public health 1235 00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:57,440 not only insults me but also all the fat 1236 00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,000 nurses 1237 00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,200 doctors ambos etc who give so much she 1238 00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,480 wrote 1239 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:05,280 frankly i am sick to death of skinny 1240 00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,319 people 1241 00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,720 yes pete evans and your followers 1242 00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,720 assuming they are morally and 1243 00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,319 spiritually superior 1244 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,720 wondering just how many fat people pete 1245 00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:16,720 evans has helped lose weight 1246 00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,760 and keep it off long term 1247 00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,920 it goes on to say evans has promoted a 1248 00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,319 number of discredited coronavirus 1249 00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,720 conspiracy theories on his profile 1250 00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,119 including the pandemic indoctrination 1251 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,119 movie that claims it was created by 1252 00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:33,760 american doctors and the rich and 1253 00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,350 powerful 1254 00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,160 [Music] 1255 00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,880 so there's a roundup of just some just 1256 00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:42,800 some of the 1257 00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,040 uh sad and twisted uh covered 19 stories 1258 00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,280 at the moment good on you magnus 1259 00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,119 zavansky 1260 00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:54,319 not only are you and hilarious 1261 00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,680 actress with some wonderful roles 1262 00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,839 over the years that it's good to see 1263 00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:01,359 your standing up 1264 00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,640 for basically what is right and as much 1265 00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,559 as people hate the lockdown and 1266 00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:08,800 living under these restrictions the 1267 00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:11,300 alternative as we know is far worse 1268 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,280 [Music] 1269 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,960 if you want to read all those articles 1270 00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,960 in full for yourself i will link to 1271 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:17,440 those 1272 00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:24,330 in this week's show notes 1273 00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,270 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1274 00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,640 zone and um 1275 00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,680 thank you to susan gerbic indeed 1276 00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,760 it's a new job as a tour director in the 1277 00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,599 bermuda triangle 1278 00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,480 that was a lot of fun thank you susan uh 1279 00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,280 coming up on next week's show 1280 00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,480 well if i was uh able to time travel i 1281 00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,920 could tell you 1282 00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,920 probably some more coronavirus 1283 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:01,680 foolishness 1284 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:04,480 but uh you know sometimes we just can't 1285 00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,520 well sometimes 1286 00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,599 we we just can't peer into the future 1287 00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,440 well i can 1288 00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:12,079 i can peer into the future and i can 1289 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:12,720 tell you that 1290 00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,920 this thursday night at 7 pm sydney time 1291 00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,520 you might have to check your local 1292 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,680 calendars to adjust for all that 1293 00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:22,960 thursday the 3rd of september 7 pm 1294 00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:23,760 sydney time 1295 00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,119 if you go to twitch.tv 1296 00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:30,000 slash australian skeptics you can join 1297 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:30,559 us and 1298 00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,000 view sydney skeptics in the pub 1299 00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,200 online and our speaker will be alice 1300 00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,520 motion professor associate professor 1301 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,480 alice motion from the university of 1302 00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,240 sydney 1303 00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,440 always promises to be an entertaining 1304 00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:50,160 hour or so with sydney skeptics in the 1305 00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:50,799 pub 1306 00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,839 online yes we all wish we could go 1307 00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,040 running down to our pub the occidental 1308 00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,640 haven't been there for a long time and 1309 00:56:00,950 --> 00:56:00,400 have our regular sydney skeptics in the 1310 00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:00,960 pub 1311 00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:04,319 which i really miss uh it was a lot of 1312 00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,040 fun 1313 00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,040 good to see people would always have 1314 00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:09,520 spoon bending lessons and whatever 1315 00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,240 anyway so join us online 1316 00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:16,400 link in this week's show notes and 1317 00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,280 peering even 1318 00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,400 further into the future in october our 1319 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,480 guest speaker will be none other than 1320 00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:24,240 ben radford 1321 00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,520 the famed paranormal and mystery 1322 00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,720 investigator 1323 00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,720 who you hear no doubt on squaring the 1324 00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,559 stranger was a very interesting episode 1325 00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:33,680 recently 1326 00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:37,440 about uh the chuba cobra and hi to ben 1327 00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,119 pasquale and of course the incomparable 1328 00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,760 celestia award from squaring the strange 1329 00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,280 thank you as ever 1330 00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,400 to those people who have signed up to be 1331 00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,160 a sponsor of the show at patreon or 1332 00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,400 paypal uh recent 1333 00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,559 patreon uh people who have signed up 1334 00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,240 thank you if i haven't written to you 1335 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:59,359 yet i will after this show is finally 1336 00:57:03,430 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